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March 25, 2009

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I haven't been pigging out except the planned cheat meal (which is usually a thousand calorie bumper of meats, veggies and a dessert), but I don't really bother too much about what I am eating pre-fast, because my meals are more-or-less balanced, and I end up with around 100 grams of carbs daily. On the non-fast days, I average 150 to even 200 grams of carbs, and this is largely from fruits. You eat a large pear and a large bowl of grapes, you find yourself 50-60 grams of carbs down already! :-) And then comes the carbs from milk and casein...
I have two points to make about the carb issue:
1. Many experts do not advocate painting the carbs as villains, and they are not the typical high-grain advocates. I am talking of people like Lyle MacDonald.
2. The hypothesis you state re IF may well be true in your case, but it may not be a noticeable phenomenon in others, like me.
Thanks for this interesting post!

Hi Rambodoc,

Thanks for the comment. I don't believe carbs are villainous (except the processed ones of course), but I do believe that they should be used deliberately and according to each person's tolerance. There is no disputing the fact that they are powerful catalysts for hormonal expression. The question from one person to the next will be only one of scale.

I'd point out that even on your days of higher carb consumption, you are WAY below what the average North American eats in the way of carbs. And further, your carbs come from nutrient and fiber rich sources which further mitigates the deleterious effects of more processed carbs.

If you had yourself a big feed of spaghetti, tomato sauce and some apple pie for dessert, I'm convinced you would feel it the next day during your fast (in the form of higher perceived hunger). Just my own personal hypothesis though... ;-)

Cheers,
Adam

Hey Adam-
How much time have you, yourself spent doing the intermittent fasting? Clients? Ive read Martin Berkhan's stuff.. interesting. As are you, still gathering facts and anecdotal stories. Just wonderin.
DocSpallone

PS By the way... Love your site and philosophy.

Hey Doc,

Thanks for dropping by. I've been using IF on and off for over a year now. I've only introduced a handful of clients to the idea, since it takes a bit leap of faith. Although I think it can be an effective means of fat loss, I feel it is more important in terms of overall health. I've concentrated more on 24 hour fasts as espoused by Brad Pilon. I really think you would like his book Eat Stop Eat. He goes quite in-depth into the science behind it.

Cheers,
Adam

Hey Adam,

You've got me intrigued with IF. I bought the Eat Stop Eat book and read it through. Seems too easy...

Actually taking that first plunge is rather scary!

In terms of integrating it along with training, early on I might try to sync it with my no-intensity day. From the sound of it, I don't imagine you try to arrange it to fall on certain training days, do you?

Hey Howie,

ESE is very simple, not easy. Keep yourself busy and it's no problem though. And it gets easier as your body and mind get used to the fact they they don't need to constantly - in fact should not be constantly - in the fed state.

Believe it or not, I usually try to hit my MetCon days when fasting. This gives me a double whammy on GH release.

Cheers,
Adam

I have got around to IFing on my 3 energy system workout days (can we please call this cardio or something short?), and eating on my 3 lifting days. I am going to start using creatine soon. Any comments?
The reason for doing so is to prevent any kind of muscle loss if you fast after your weight workouts. I also maintain flexibility if you think 3 days of IF is bad: fasts last for 24 hours, 22 hours and 18 hours respectively on the days.

Hey Rambodoc,

LOL - Energy System training is a mouthful isn't it? And cardio still means long, slow bouts on the treadmill or bike for many people. Then there's MetCon - a whole other ball of wax... ;-)

I don't think 3 fasts a week is too much. It really depends on what your goals are. I think it is interesting that you are doing different durations during the week.

As far as creatine goes, I think it probably falls in the "can't hurt" category. It seems pretty clear that it has a positive effect on strength development. I'm not really sure if it would make much difference as far as sparing lean mass in relation to fasting. And as we've seen, it doesn't look like this is really much of a problem anyway.

This is anecdotal, but I've had good results with creatine in the past (long before IF though). More recently, I've used creatine and Beta-Alanine together pre-strength training. It lets you pump out more reps when working in the 4-7 range. The difference was notable. Being able to do more work "in the gym" - or wherever you train - would definitely make a difference in sparing lean mass.

Let me know how the creatine experiment goes.

Cheers,
Adam

I agree about being careful about carbs and large meals before a fast. I've been IFing for quite a long time, in one form or another, and carbs can be horrid appetite inducers for me.

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